US Finalizes Rule To Effectively Ban Chinese Vehicles (theverge.com) 16
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: The Biden administration finalized a new rule that would effectively ban all Chinese vehicles from the US under the auspices of blocking the "sale or import" of connected vehicle software from "countries of concern." The rule could have wide-ranging effects on big automakers, like Ford and GM, as well as smaller manufacturers like Polestar -- and even companies that don't produce cars, like Waymo. The rule covers everything that connects a vehicle to the outside world, such as Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, cellular, and satellite components. It also addresses concerns that technology like cameras, sensors, and onboard computers could be exploited by foreign adversaries to collect sensitive data about US citizens and infrastructure. And it would ban China from testing its self-driving cars on US soil.
"Cars today have cameras, microphones, GPS tracking, and other technologies connected to the internet," US Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo said in a statement. "It doesn't take much imagination to understand how a foreign adversary with access to this information could pose a serious risk to both our national security and the privacy of U.S. citizens. To address these national security concerns, the Commerce Department is taking targeted, proactive steps to keep [People's Republic of China] and Russian-manufactured technologies off American roads." The rules for prohibited software go into effect for model year 2027 vehicles, while the ban on hardware from China waits until model year 2030 vehicles. According to Reuters, the rules were updated from the original proposal to exempt vehicles weighing over 10,000 pounds, which would allow companies like BYD to continue to assemble electric buses in California. The Biden administration published a fact sheet with more information about this rule.
"[F]oreign adversary involvement in the supply chains of connected vehicles poses a significant threat in most cars on the road today, granting malign actors unfettered access to these connected systems and the data they collect," the White House said. "As PRC automakers aggressively seek to increase their presence in American and global automotive markets, through this final rule, President Biden is delivering on his commitment to secure critical American supply chains and protect our national security."
"Cars today have cameras, microphones, GPS tracking, and other technologies connected to the internet," US Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo said in a statement. "It doesn't take much imagination to understand how a foreign adversary with access to this information could pose a serious risk to both our national security and the privacy of U.S. citizens. To address these national security concerns, the Commerce Department is taking targeted, proactive steps to keep [People's Republic of China] and Russian-manufactured technologies off American roads." The rules for prohibited software go into effect for model year 2027 vehicles, while the ban on hardware from China waits until model year 2030 vehicles. According to Reuters, the rules were updated from the original proposal to exempt vehicles weighing over 10,000 pounds, which would allow companies like BYD to continue to assemble electric buses in California. The Biden administration published a fact sheet with more information about this rule.
"[F]oreign adversary involvement in the supply chains of connected vehicles poses a significant threat in most cars on the road today, granting malign actors unfettered access to these connected systems and the data they collect," the White House said. "As PRC automakers aggressively seek to increase their presence in American and global automotive markets, through this final rule, President Biden is delivering on his commitment to secure critical American supply chains and protect our national security."
Why limit this ban to China? (Score:3)
And I for one would very much prefer to buy a car that does neither have nor need any network connection. If I want network connectivity in my car, I will bring in my own device.
China got caught using slave labor (Score:2, Interesting)
Now ordinarily the globalist types who run our country would be just fine with that but we need heavy industry in case of a war. If you ever wonder why it was so easy for the a
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I think the problem is it's not just supply chain (Score:2)
You would think the America first crowd around here would be really pissed off at the prospect of having American jobs taken by forced labor in China. But somehow that all goes out the window for them when the cool gadget is waived in front of them for a price they can afford...
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Plausible deniability (Score:1)
In this case entire factories are being run with slaves. It's too blindingly obvious. But they couldn't meet their price goals without those slaves.
When I was a kid historians like to te
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Xiaomi can produce 40 EVs an hour, 1 every 76 seconds, using just robots.
The truth is, the US cannot even dream of competing with China, so they have to sanction and bully and tariff. Next you will saying "oh noes, Chynah subsidizes industries", whilst not only is corporate welfare the M.O. of the USA, but the US military had also been known to "assist" US business interests abroad (to put it mildly).
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It's not like both intentionally builtin back-doors as well as security holes caused by sloppy/cheap programming could weaponize any vehicle, no matter where it came from.
And I for one would very much prefer to buy a car that does neither have nor need any network connection. If I want network connectivity in my car, I will bring in my own device.
This has nothing to do with espionage. You are being tracked every second of the day via your apps and mobile devices by a multitude of corporations many of whom aren't American. Ever wondered how Google knows about all those traffic jams? The US government doesn't have to blanket ban the import of Chinese cars, it could easily simply prohibit anybody in a security critical position from owning a Chinese car. All this is about is to keep affordable cars from the US public to protect uncompetitive dinosaurs
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"It's not like both intentionally builtin back-doors as well as security holes caused by sloppy/cheap programming could weaponize any vehicle,"
I think I felt my IQ drop a little reading this. What a load of scaremongering based on nothing. China doesn't want to take command of your vehicle, the ones who would do that sort of thing to someone in the US... are in the US. Just ask Michael Hastings.
Protecting US manufacturers (Score:2)
Most US cars come with the same sort of equipment, and I think its naive to think China isn't able to get access to that. The primary goal is almost certainly protecting US manufacturers from lower cost imports
Re:Protecting US manufacturers (Score:4, Interesting)
Most US cars come with the same sort of equipment, and I think its naive to think China isn't able to get access to that. The primary goal is almost certainly protecting US manufacturers from lower cost imports
Personally, at least in the short term I trust the Chinese more than the tech bros. At least the Chinese aren't going to be pushing ads at me and selling me out to my insurance company, law enforcement, and data brokers. American-based companies with access to the kind of data in question have been known to do all of the above, and probably more as well.
In the long term, there's the thought that "Chinese tech is a Trojan horse that results in the downfall of the country". I think it's a legitimate consideration - but given the current US 'leadership', the Chinese might be the kinder, gentler dictatorial assholes.
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This guy gets it. We're so paranoid about foreign influence and maybe that's valid, but when Elon and Zuck and everyone else have their fingers in all of our lives we're not even remotely concerned? We embrace these goons into every aspect of our day to day, we celebrate them as successful billionaires and somehow that translates into trust that they are not actively screwing us over. They're now engineering themselves to have significant government influence by sucking up to the orange man who is honestly
When you outlaw Chinese vehicles (Score:2)
Only outlaws will have Chinese vehicles.