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If the wizards in Harry Potter really wanted they could create a society with unlimited food, space and energy that could vastly improve Humanity as a whole, instead they just hide like assholes. : Showerthoughts
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If the wizards in Harry Potter really wanted they could create a society with unlimited food, space and energy that could vastly improve Humanity as a whole, instead they just hide like assholes.

I mean come on, at least donate some magical shit for the Medics Sans frontier.

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21.5k points · 6 months ago · edited 6 months ago

Food is one of the first of five Principal Exceptions to Gamp’s Law of Elemental Transfigur— ... It’s impossible to make good food out of nothing! You can Summon it if you know where it is, you can transform it, you can increase the quantity if you’ve already got some—

Hermione Granger to Ron Weasley

So they can duplicate food

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Imagine waking up one morning in New York to find the streets flooded with Spaghetti O’s

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Harry Potter With a Chance of Meatballs

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Can we make a Kickstarter for this movie? I'm sure Daniel Radcliff would be on board

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I don't know why, but I read that as Dennis Radcliffe.

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63 points · 6 months ago · edited 6 months ago

He's a five star wizard!

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15 points · 6 months ago

“We couldn’t get Daniel, so we got the next best thing: Dennis Radcliffe!” in walks Elijah Wood

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77 points · 6 months ago

Ahh, much better!

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Finally a comment I’d like to read

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12.9k points · 6 months ago

you can increase the quantity if you’ve already got some—

There we go. Go all Jesus on a a small amount of food.

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4.1k points · 6 months ago

Well you saw what they did to Jesus. Can't blame the wizards for hiding.

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3.5k points · 6 months ago

Nailed it!

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Literally

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Hey, I gotta take the opportunity when the door opening hits me in the face...

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Gandalf, Harry, AND Jesus died and came back more powerful. The secret to being a good wizard is dying at the right time; most wizards are clearly just being cowards.

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A wizard only dies precisely when he means to.

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37 points · 6 months ago

I think this is the canon explanation as well. They are afraid of literal witch hunts.

Although this is super old and conservative mindset becuase even with our modern tech, wizards would obliterate humanity and take over if theyh wanted. I mean the Minister of Magic is pretty much in charge of the British PM. Being able to just appear in his office is effectively holding a wand to his head.

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5.6k points · 6 months ago

Jesus was a wizard, confirmed.

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“Yur a wizard, Jesus.” - Achrid

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"Yur a Jesus, Harry!" - Robbie Coltrane with a beard

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Your a hairy jesus!

-mel gibson

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1.7k points · 6 months ago

I mean he could heal, feed, and was resurrected (Probably drank some potion to stop his heart beat) the only spell we haven't seen is the walking on water but i'd assume it was the same levitation lily and voldy used.

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Probably drank some potion to stop his heart beat

When he said he was thirsty and asked for wine. He "died" shortly thereafter. There you go.

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Technically he spit it out because they gave him wine instead of water and he wasn’t supposed to drink wine for a period.

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I think it was just shit wine, basically vinegar. They were mocking and tormenting him.

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Actually literal shit wine. Like a wetwipe, upper class Romans soaked a sponge in some vinegar wine and used it to clean their ass.

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146 points · 6 months ago

For a butthole that puckers, use only the most abrasive of wines!

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98 points · 6 months ago

So.. yellow tail?

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It was sour wine mixed with gal. Gall was a type of pain reliever to them, but could also be used as a poison.

“A mixture of wine and gall was commonly given to criminals before their execution in order to ease some of their suffering. As an ex-chemistry teacher, I taught that all poisons are BITTER but acids are SOUR. Christ likely refused this drink knowing that its bitter taste meant it was more of a poison than a painkiller. He did not want to die from poisoning or have his senses numbed while on the cross.”

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Not necessarily, it might have been posca which was a drink that man Roman soldiers would have carried around with them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posca

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I thought it was vinegar?

Edit. Just checked. It's wine vinegar, so there you go.

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49 points · 6 months ago

Fun fact: vinegar in French translates to "sour wine" as it was originally that.

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It was. I can’t find where it says he was actually given any though.

“One of them ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, holding it up to him on a reed stick so he could drink. “Wait!” he said. “Let’s see whether Elijah comes to take him down!”” ‭‭Mark‬ ‭15:36‬ ‭NLT‬‬

“Someone ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to take him down,” he said. ‭‭Mark‬ ‭15:36‬ ‭NIV‬‬

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107 points · 6 months ago

That's just ninjutsu.

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I have so much chakra, i can make 20 clones!

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84 points · 6 months ago

NonJinchurikiProblems

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Maybe he had the resurrection stone.

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Nah the spell must have been more powerfull than just stop his heart because they ram a spear through his heart to make sure he's dead. Probably some horcrux stuff.

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See, i heard it was always them piercing his side not his heart, but either way the spear of destiny is said to have some freaky deaky powers, could definitely be a horcrux.

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The Lance of Longinus is able to pierce AT Fields and destroy Angels with one hit.

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EVAs as well.

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Except the world already makes more food than we consume. The bigger problem is getting it there, which of course magic could help with.

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In that case, I guess we could feed entire cities/towns with a single small farm/greenhouse, and an embedded wizard.

It would ruin farming, and put tons of people out of work. But the environment would benefit from having forests no longer cut down for cattle, and minimal farms required.

But would allow society to get closer to UBI if food prices go to near zero.

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How so? The Weasleys were poor and they were wizards.....the wizarding world has just as much income inequality and no way of fixing it as the muggle world.

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365 points · 6 months ago

Yeah but they were never at risk of starving.

Honestly all that made no sense unless there is some cost of using magic to the user that was never mentioned. If you can set up a magical loom to make clothes similar to spelling dishes to get washed, there is no reason for Ron to wear handmedown dress robes.

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Even as a kid that bothered me but I just went with it. Couldn't they have just magicked a nicer house piece by piece? Nicer clothes? Better... everything?

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I thought of it as the Weasleys were poor at magic so anything they made ended up bad. They couldn't make or duplicate food because the perfect chocolate cake would end up a pile of uncooked flour. They can't magic their house because they would end up with a house that looked like theirs... Oh.

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The older ones seemed to have decent jobs. Wasn’t Charlie in Romania tackling dragons? I’m betting you need at least half decent wizardry skills to manage.

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Charlie studied dragons all over the world, and Bill worked for Gringotts. Percy was also a (low-level) assistant in the Ministry. George/Fred made it big in a joke shop (with seriously advanced magic involved including charms, transfiguration, and potion-making). Ginny was top of her class most years.

Ron was the only meh wizard sibling.

Also Molly defeated one of the best Dark Wizards in Bellatrix.

Arthur and Ron are the only two who were "meh" or average.

I think the state of the house and attire was more the result of seven children and the daily chaos.

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Now I kind of want to read a communist fan fiction where they revolt to seize the magical looms.

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Yeah, Harry doesn’t take many advanced charms classes but I’d assume there is a drop off in who can charm what, for example I don’t think just anyone could have made the charmed armor that comes to life to defend hogwarts

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Maybe because they had so many goddamn kids.

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And they sent them all to the expensive top rate school.

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58 points · 6 months ago · edited 6 months ago

TIL Jesus was a wizard

Edit: I stand by my opinion that wizard should be spelt with two z's

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Gabriel: Thou art a wizard Yeshua.

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Only Rincewind

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TIL all wizards are Jesuses

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48 points · 6 months ago

IIRC in the second book Harry receives a never ending plate og sandwich from Mrs. McGonagall because he missed the great feat due to Mr. Weasley's car flying into the Whomping Willow.

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Anything can be achieved through the power of ENSLAVING THE INFERIOR HOUSE ELF RACE

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14 points · 6 months ago

Make a food bank with at least one item of every food. Use a spell to prevent it from spoiling. Duplicate whatever food you need.

Congratulations, you just solved world hunger

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Out of curiosity, what are the other four principal exceptions?

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I think one of them is wizarding currency.

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More specifically it's probably being about to make precious metals. The only exception to that is using the Sorcerer's Stone.

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Philosopher's stone?

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It was Philosopher Stone in the original UK publication, but they changed it to Sorcerer Stone in the American publication because of reasons. Then the movie used the name from the American version because that was a bigger demographic.

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Then the movie used the name from the American version because that was a bigger demographic.

The movie released in non-US regions was still called the Philosopher's Stone.

IIRC, they shot 2 versions of any scene that referenced the stone.

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You should hear what Pixar does for their regional versions.

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15 points · 6 months ago

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They changed it because Americans wouldn't know philosophers stone means magic. The movie name matches the book name by region.

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142 points · 6 months ago

Even though Philosopher's stone is literally a legend in our own universe. Americans arn't stupid, publishers/translators just think we are. Then again...I just turn on the TV and weep at the news.

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It was Penguin Publishing (I believe, maybe Scholastic?) who thought Americans would be more likely to read a book titled The Sorcerer's Stone than Philosopher's.

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They were probably right. To an average kid, sorcerers are dope, whereas philosophers are topics in history class.

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It’s never said and I can’t find anywhere with JK answering this question. A fan theory with support from the books is:

  1. Food

  2. Money

  3. Knowledge

  4. Love

  5. Life/ a soul. In other words, you can create new life, but you can’t bring back a specific person.

That’s all just based on quotes where characters say “we can’t do X, it’s impossible”. So the real answer is, it’s unknown.

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That's why Harry was rich. His parents left him a fortune.

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14 points · 6 months ago

Yer a child loved by his mum and dad, Harry!

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Love is different from most things. If I gave my piece of chalk to someone, then I wouldn't have it anymore. But when I give my love to someone, I end up with more love than I started with. The more love you give away, the more you have left.

  • Mrs. Jewls in Wayside School is Falling Down, by Louis Sachar

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It must be difficult to do it, otherwise they wouldn't buy more than 1 of anything ever....

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Yeah, it must be literally easier to buy and cook food than use the magic to make a nearly unlimited supply

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Well. The thing is we arent talking about making a single meal. We are talking about increasing the food supply en mass. So while it might be more difficult on a single meal. It might be easier to increase as a whole.

Like how its hard to make a single car. But by ramping it up and specializing with a ton of people, it becomes easier. I forget what the economic law is called.

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Magic seems to blatantly ignore such things.

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24 points · 6 months ago · edited 6 months ago

Methods of mass production!!! And Economy of scale!!

It would apply in all socities. Magic or not. Allow specialization. And production increases. Its simple.

Magic or science. Doesnt fucking matter. Specialization would make it more efficient.

Lets put it this way.

You have a witch that wants to make an enchanted broom stick.

She has:

  1. gather ingredients.

  2. process the ingredients

  3. form each part into shape (staff park, broom end, piece that wraps around the broom etc)

  4. put them all together

  5. then she has to enchant the broom.

That is many steps and chances are she isnt the best at some of them.

Specialization makes the whole process easier. Instead of one witch spending 25+ hours to make a single broom.

You have x number of witches. Spend 30 minutes each on each individual part. The total amount of work hours might not change (ie total hours to finish product if all witches hours are added together [50 witches x 30 minutes = 25 hours]) but the actual time in the real world would be drastically reduced. Because all 50 hours happen concurrently. So in actual time from beginning to end. A finished product appears in like an hour or less.

Edit: someone said the decrease wouldnt happen as drastically as thatand then deleted. See my response:

I meant total time as in clock time. Not work hours.

Work hours would drop a little but not from 25 to 1. But the clock time spent would decrease.

As in. The witch working alone would work from 12am- 1am the next day right? 25 hours.

Now (for the sake of the example this is day 1 of production.) The 50 witches can clock in at 9am and they would make the same parts (imagine it takes 30 minutes per part). Those parts would take 30 minute each to make on avg. Now its 10am and every piece has been made. By 11am its together. 2 hours. Now moving forward it wouldnt taken that extra hours because the number of pieces would stack. Allowing faster production

Of course this is a super simplified example.

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The largest problem with food is getting it to people who need it. Wizards solve that issue instantaneously. I concur OP

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Yeah we literally are overflowing with food that often doesn't even make it to store shelves for cosmetic reasons.

We don't really need to make more food, we just need to get better at distribution

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117 points · 6 months ago

It’s impossible to make good food out of nothing

That never made sense to me considering that they can summon other materials out of thin air as well. The atomic structure of food isn't really different from other materials they can conjure. What constitutes as "food" seems pretty arbitrary at this point.

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I think the key is that they’re summoning the materials, which means that they’re basically teleporting existing things from elsewhere.

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Lmao magic always ran on arbitrary rules. I wouldn't be surprised if someone who subsists on rocks could create a hot dog but not rocks.

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9.8k points · 6 months agox2 · edited 6 months ago

Didn't know Grindelwald had a reddit account.

Edit: obligatory "thanks for the gold kind stranger!" First one.

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1.7k points · 6 months ago

For the Greater Food, amiright?

Seriously though, if I could, I'd gild you

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539 points · 6 months ago

The Greater Good

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303 points · 6 months ago

A Great Big Bushy Beard

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I suppose you be wondering why we call them the Andes?

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Because they’re both called Andrew?

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64 points · 6 months ago

They said you were good.

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Also talkin' to them is an uphill struggle right, dad?

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smack

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94 points · 6 months ago

The Greater Gold

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Shut it!

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I always thought Grindelwald was sort of a magneto-type character, whereas OP is looking to be more of a professor x.

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The world of magic could easily be exposed with just one magic person doing a live stream.

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1.2k points · 6 months ago

People would believe it was special effects. You'd start a conspiracy theory, but there'd be no empirical evidence to convince the majority.

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Except for the very end the internet would have been fairly small, the last book would have ended around 1998. So even muggel born people wouldn't have been that familiar with it.

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The IRA should have gotten some wizards to Avada Kedavra Margaret Thatcher on live TV or something

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Well this is not a sentence I ever expected to read...

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383 points · 6 months ago

So says every flat earth conspirator. /s

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Because you totally can't fake anything on a live stream. They'd just get a reputation as the world's best magician.

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107 points · 6 months ago

If you could actually do magic that is exactly what you would be.

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My wife is super into this series. I know next to nothing about it.

I just always found it weird they put soul-sucking demons as guards who will literally kill anything they encounter, even the children. Seems like an insane plan for a school to have.

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It was insane. That is why it was controversial.

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1.7k points · 6 months ago

It was insane. That is why it was controversial.

Real question. What security should they have put in place at the school after learning of The Dark Lord's return? He is strong enough to kill any Wizard alive. The dementors are able to keep some of the most powerful Wizards inside the prison. It stands to reason so long as you control them they would be somewhat effective security against a threat with that type of military strength.

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1.2k points · 6 months ago

I've never considered this, but you just made me think of it.

Could Voldemort produce a patronus? I know killing and torture make him happy, but is that enough to cast the patronus charm?

Are the dementors able to take Voldemort out, if they weren't on his side?

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I highly doubt it. In some extra writing jk Rowling did on pottermore, it talks about the patronous charm and generally evil wizards are not able to cast them. One record even has the charm backfiring on the sorcerer and turning into a mass of maggots which proceeded to devour him.

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280 points · 6 months ago

Yeowch

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Meowth that's right

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But if that was the case, why could Umbridge produce a Patronus. She was easily one of the most evil witches in the books/movies.

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485 points · 6 months ago

She does love cats...

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That's the only real workaround

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471 points · 6 months ago

Umbridge is detestable, self serving and to many people evil, but we don't know her outside of her career as a politician. She may very well be capable of love and positive emotions. She is self serving, yes, but Voldemort is also utterly devoid of compassion or love for even those closest to him.

She 'loved' Cornelius Fudge, so that's at least 1 show of positive emotions. Also in the book IIRC she stood in front of Harry and Hermione when there was danger in the forest, though I may be mistaken there.

Evil is a complex thing. I could easily imagine the likes of Grindywindy and Voldymouldy and Bellatrix Lestrange not being able to cast them, but I think Lucius Malfoy, Dolores Umbridge and their ilk would be capable of them.

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I think we need to make a distinction between evil wizards and asshole wizards. The latter probably having no issues with casting a patronus.

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Umbridge could, but barely. In tDH Her patronus was barely strong enough to protect the court staff from the effects of the dementor. However when Harry cast his it covered the entire room, forced away the dementor and cheered up everybody

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124 points · 6 months ago

Because Umbridge really loves to oppress people. She takes joy in her job.

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I forget the exact passage, but iirc it's canon that Voldemort can not produce a patronus. He never needed one and relied on even higher level magic or the dementors siding with him due to his power and ability to give them a seemingly endless supply of souls, but I don't believe he physically could produce a patronus due to the nature of happiness that is required to do so.

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I'm interested Too!

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I believe his soul was too fragmented for them to have an effect on him. Also the dementors were on Voldemort's side which is why once he returned there were so many prison breaks. I believe that the potronus had an element that isn't completely delved into but hear me out for a second. Harry produces one of the most powerful potronus' that has been seen to protect him and Sirius. He does this out of the love to protect his uncle. Also his most powerful memory is one that he doesn't know is real but in it he is with his parents where there is a ton of love towards him. I say this to state I believe the patronus is connected to a feeling of love something Tom (AKA Old Voldy) never felt.

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64 points · 6 months ago

Love is 100% an arbitrarily powerful source of magic, or even a different kind of magic, so I wouldn't be surprised. Though I think they point out that joy also works for a lot of people, not sure what the bounds are on that though

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39 points · 6 months ago

I bet he doesn’t have enough of a soul left in him for them to be interested in sucking out... and it would probably make the dementors sick if they did eat it.

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34 points · 6 months ago · edited 6 months ago

Now I’m just imagining Voldermort aggressively stuffing chocolate in his face

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They didn't put them at the school for Voldemort. They put them at the school for Sirius Black.

When Voldemort returns, the dementors ally with him, IIRC. At the very least, in book 4 he says they will ally. I can't remember if that worked or not, I think I'm confusing the Dementor attack at the beginning of book 5 with any real attacks.

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39 points · 6 months ago

At the beginning of book 6 they're definitely on Voldy's side.

“I thought dementors guard the prisoners in Azkaban,” he said cautiously. “They did,” said Fudge wearily. “But not anymore. They’ve deserted the prison and joined He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. I won’t pretend that wasn’t a blow.”

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It would work if they weren't on voldys side.

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Yeah, but the dementors sides with Voldemort when he returned. And while they were effective, they were not easily controlled and therefore too dangerous to continue using.

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618 points · 6 months ago

It wasn't the schools plan. And they weren't there to guard the school.

The soul-sucking demons are prison guards who were there searching for an escaped convict.

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They seemed to only excessively go after harry for some reason. Maybe because he had 2 souls in him. Everyone else the left alone unless ordered otherwise.

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If a dementor sucked out Harry's soul, would we just have Voldemort in Harry Potter's body?

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I think the Horcrux part of him would've been sucked out before the Harry part of him

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Don't ruin my dreams.

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Wait what now? The scar? Is it like a fragment of Voldemort? Been years since I've read these.

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132 points · 6 months ago

Yer a horcrux, 'Arry.

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When Voldy used the killing curse and created a scar, he inadvertently left a piece of his soul in Harry, thus turning him into a horcrux.

Or something like that.

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Yeah, his soul was so unstable from being split into 6 that when the curse rebounded and hit him instead part of his soul clung to the only living thing left.

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To be entirely fair, most of the teachers and administration also think its insane.

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That’s kind of the point. The teachers and students were appalled that the corrupt and inept Ministry of Magic put the Dementors there. It was not the school’s plan.

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Just arm the teachers. Oh wait they already were.

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The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a dementor.

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Yeah that was the point of the third book. Even wizards have security theatre. You should read them.

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1.9k points · 6 months ago · edited 6 months ago

In case no one has already said so- a very long time ago they did share their magic with muggles, especially healing magic. But growing anti magic sentiments, as well as anti muggle/blood purists lead to the international statute of wizarding secrecy being established in the late 17th century.

Basically, the witch burning craze of the 1600's terrified and angered the wizards so much, they stopped helping the muggles, and went into hiding for their own safety.

EDIT: I wrote this on mobile, so I'm expanding on it a bit now that I'm on my computer. First, this and this are some of my sources- this second link is to pottermore, which Rowling contributes to regularly. (or she used to)

Second- some quotes for the lazy "By the seventeenth century, wizard-Muggle relations were at their worst. Ever since the early fifteenth century, the persecution of witches and wizards gathered pace all over Europe, making many in the wizarding community feel, and justifiably so, that offering to aid their Muggle neighbours with their magic was tantamount to volunteering to fetch the firewood for one's own funeral pyre: many witches and wizards were locked up and sentenced to death on the charge of witchcraft."

"While some (such as Lisette de Lapin in 1422) managed to use magic to escape, others like Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington (NEARLY HEADLESS NICK) in 1492 were not as lucky and were immediately stripped of their wands. Wizarding families were particularly prone to losing younger family members, whose inability to control their own magic made them noticeable, and vulnerable, to Muggle witch-hunters."

"The International Statute of Wizarding Secrecy has been the source of a contentious debate in wizarding society, namely because people have asked whether wizards should be the ones living underground. Carlotta Pinkstone, for instance, campaigned to have the statute repealed in the early twentieth century; she was imprisoned numerous times for performing spells in front of Muggles, and telling them the truth about magic. Other wizards practised more violent and extreme measures, the most famous of whom was Dark wizard Gellert Grindelwald. His campaign of terror was partly motivated by his dream of overthrowing the Statute of Secrecy and leading wizards out of hiding."

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I was searching for this comment. They were hunted for being witches. So they don’t feel like they can come out of hiding.

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OP is the Killmonger of the Harry Potter world, watch out!

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264 points · 6 months ago · edited 6 months ago

That's basically the premise of the Manna Charitable Foundation in the SCP universe.

Sometimes it goes well (mostly). Others, not so much.

Edit: on further thought, SCP-1176 is not that scary (even if the implications are). How about this.

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What is SCP? It sounds like a rabbit hole I might want to crawl down.

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88 points · 6 months ago · edited 6 months ago

It’s a collaborative writing project about a cold research organization containing a bunch of monsters and anomalies, and it’s quite the rabbit hole.

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I liked to read the ones about items in containtment, but the majority where items that "just disappeared one day on their own"... Don't know if it was an inside joke for "most were stolen".

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It's like pokemon for adults.

Gotta gotta gotta contain them all, gotta contain them all, SCPs!

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sounds like a rabbit hole

Oh you have no idea.

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Sounds just like black panther

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I hope the second one explores a bit more of why they hid away. Like yeah I get not using your weapons, but why hog all your resources that could be used for good? I know T'Challa is changing things, but I don't understand the initial rationale to hide.

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269 points · 6 months ago

It was to shield themselves from war or being exploited by the outside world

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You know, like the rest of Africa.

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they never got ethiopia

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the sun is a deadly laser

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112 points · 6 months ago

We in the west tend to think of Africa as a single unit. So, to us, Wakanda not helping out their neighbors would be the equivalent of, say, Pennsylvania suddenly becoming highly advanced and then shielding itself off from the rest of the country.

In reality, it's a lot more like if Belgium suddenly became highly advanced 1,000 years ago. There was no unified Europe, there was just a collection of primitive nations that wanted nothing to do with each other unless they were conquering one another. In this scenario, Belgium would either have invaded all of Europe, or gone into hiding. They absolutely would not have altruisticly handed over their tech to their, from their perspective, shitty neighbors.

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27 points · 6 months ago · edited 6 months ago

Exactly. Though side note, Belgium is younger than the USA. They were part of the Netherlands before, and vaccinated vacillated between the Holy Romans and French for centuries.

Also, they happened to be one of the most brutal of all colonial powers. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Congo

Originally, the Congo wasn't even a colony of the Belgium, it was the private property of the Belgian King Leopold II. In terms of atrocities and human rights violations it was arguably the worst of all the European colonies on Africa. The Belgians actually kept it until the 1960s, even [conspiring] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_Lumumba) to eliminate their pro-independence politicians in an effort to keep their little evil empire. (Of course the CIA was involved too, that goes without saying).

If Belgium had advanced technology centuries ago, they're be a statue of Leopold II in every town square on Earth.

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Considering Wakanda is litterally the only part of Africa that wasn't fucked by the transatlantic slave trade/colonialism I'd say they have a pretty good justification to sticking to what protected their people.

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They’d likely first get ostracized for being different, and then turned into slaves for their skills before they had a revolution for their freedoms.

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391 points · 6 months ago

I dunno.... Wizards are outnumbered by a lot. No matter how powerful a wizard is, a bullet though the skull will kill one. Eventually humanity as a whole would become aware of the wizards, and they would be hunted down and murdered. Voldemort was an idiot for thinking he could take over the world. Eventually regular humans would realize something's up, and murder them all. Might take years, and many, many humans would die first, but it would happen.

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366 points · 6 months ago

I mean, even from the first movie it’s pretty unrealistic that NO ONE has noticed kids walking through a wall in a train station for hundreds of years.

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Probably secured by a memory charm.

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Probably the same thing that was on the Doctor's Tardis. If Douglas Adams didn't invent it, he did use it before JK wrote her books.

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Was Adams the specific writer who came up with the concept that the TARDIS was ignored because humans just prefer to ignore things?

I know Douglas Adams' HHGTG version was the perfectly named Somebody Else's Problem Field

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141 points · 6 months ago

I reckon wizards could have taken over the world, it just would have required them to be subtle about it. Using the Imperious Curse and other methods of mind control, as well as imitating people, they could have taken over the leadership and worked their way down. If they took their time they could introduce gradual changes like that, or maybe wide scale spells to effect entire populations until the vast majority of people accepted that wizards were superior and should rule. Of course the problem with that is the wizarding world isn't united on the issue and isn't likely to ever be, so it inevitably turns into very noticeable attempts like Grindelwald or Voldemort, which won't work for the reasons you stated.

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I never understood why more wizards didn't just leave and use their magic to become powerful and influential in another country. I mean, how hard would it be to bewitch a dictator of a small country and run it like you see fit?

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Probably because other wizards would‘ve noticed and started to work against it.

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"But you're wizards! You can do magic! Surely you can do, well, anything!"

Scrimgeour turned slowly on the spot and exchanged an incredulous look with Fudge, who really did manage a smile this time as he said kindly,"The trouble is, the other side can too, Prime Minister."

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I'm not sure about that. Yes, wizards would loose in a direct all-out war if it would just be killing curse vs guns.

But I think Voldemort is smart enough to know, that there are ways to win, that are way more effective:

- Secretly taking over all the political and military administrations of the muggles, by using the Imperius curse (and maybe other Memory Charms). Muggles couldn't trust another, because they don't know who is controlled and who not. (Also, if there are rebells, just make yourself invisible, walk up to their leaders and take control of them)

- Voldemort could also use the Dementors, which are seemingly indestructible and invisible for muggles.

- It's not so easy for muggles to distinguish between another muggle and a wizard. There would probably be something like the medieval witch burning, where muggles kill muggles because of suspected wizardry.

- Overall we don't know if there are already countermeasures (for example spells) to most of muggle technologies. Modern technology doesn't work at Hogwarts, so it could be possible to use this effect to render almost all muggle technologies useless. Guns are around for hundreds of years, so there could be protection spells agains bullets or ways to destroy guns in form of simple spells.

- The wizards also have the advantage, that they can hex their headquarters, so that the muggles can't find them

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I think you're also underestimating the abilities of muggle-intelligence. Muggle technology is almost as arcane to wizards as magic is to muggles, at least by the measure of Arthur Weasley's understanding and how much credence his work is given. The Wizarding world at large deeply underestimates muggles, while the muggles would not have that same problem for them.

You've also got the mix in there of mud-bloods, squibs, etc. Loyalties would be deeply divided, you would have defectors, and sympathizers to give the operational intelligence necessary, information on the logistical workings of magic, and perhaps even direct aid. I don't think that the SAS would think twice about recruiting and training a mudblood wizard as a combat operative, or teams of them if they could. Add to that there are no classified weapons in the wizarding world, no deadly power that is not free information to school-age children, or able to be countered by school age children.

I don't think it would be a cut-and-dry war, or a quick victory sort of war, but I don't think that wizards could take the day in the end.
The wizarding world relies heavily on their secrecy for their security, but if it were compromised (which it easily could be) I don't think they'd have any adequate answer to the level of lethal force modern muggle militaries could levy against them.

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Kind of the plot of X-Men really.

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64 points · 6 months ago

Medics Sans frontier

Solid Franglais.

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Sounds like the name of a typeface, really.

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230 points · 6 months ago

Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, a great, very long, fanfiction deals with this. Harry is very intelligent and after thinking of some ways to destroy the world by combining science and magic decides not to reveal magic to the world. I mean, imagine if some dick decided to transfigure antimatter?

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132 points · 6 months ago

And yet none of the 13 year olds wizards have tried to do it? Voldemort didnt even do it and he was wizard hitler.

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None of them knew about it. That's extremely unlikely, to be honest, but J.K. Rowling really just didn't think about it. That's all there is to it. In real life though, we'd be screwed.

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And muggle information was his job

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23 points · 6 months ago

And knowing about toasters and flashlights made him a weirdo

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There already exist enough food to be able to feed everyone on Earth right now. The problem isn’t that there isn’t enough food. The problem is that a lot of people are greedy, corrupt assholes.

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the problem is getting large amounts of food across oceans. but with teleportation, thats not an issue

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260 points · 6 months ago

If they did that then Wizards would either become the slaves of Muggles or Inversely the masters of Muggles as whole societies would be dependent on them for survival. The medical and scientific fields would stagnate. As well as society as a whole. I mean why study engineering if a wizard or witch could just wave a wand and presto.

It would cause as many problems as it solves. Also people breeding without censure and living longer is very sustainable long term. The world population would increase too much.

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Ever heard of the industrial revolution? Your fear is 200 years old. Even though things could be better they are not as bad as people with your argument painted back then.

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165 points · 6 months ago

When you dont have to work for basic needs all there is left is art and learning. People would be engineers and scientists for the fun of it. People that live longer would likely have fewer children.

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Tell that to the eldars

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I'm aware of the reputation it and its fanbase has, but this is one of the premises of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. It's actually a good story as long as you remember that it's just a story and won't have a perfect plot, that Harry is only 12 and can't and isn't supposed to be right about everything, and that Harry is also definitely not a normal 12-year-old and there's a reason he's like he is.

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12 points · 6 months ago

Not enough mana

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